Equipment Needs for Evaluation at CUDA

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Deborah

In terms of the testing that we're going to be doing here at CUDA. We're going to purchase machines to test programs on, and websites on, what do you suggest that we equip them with to do the testing?

Doug

OK, you're talking about in the center?

Deborah

Yeah.

Doug

You're saying, what should you test in terms of AT? And you're talking about what AT should you have that you're using?

Deborah

Right, to test with.

Doug

Well, I would use JAWS, no remember, we're not testing with JAWS, we're examining the interaction.

Deborah

Right.

Doug

We're testing with the standards.

Deborah

Right.

Doug

I'm being a little facetious. I think that there's no doubt that ZoomText is really the screen reader of choice for large print and they do large print and voice output. Magic apparently, it is not even a second cousin, it is being sold by Freedom. I would look at some of the other, like, in terms of web, you're going to be looking probably at web pages?

Deborah

Mm hmm.

Fred

I think we're going to be doing everything. We're going to be doing web, software and hardware.

Doug

Hold on, I'm blocking on a name. What used to be of course, now is Adobe, used to be Macromedia and for the life of me, I cannot remember the name of the test program they had, it was pretty decent. But I would look at a couple of the web evaluations. They're really handy in that they can zip through pretty fast and at least alert you. You never want one that says, we fixed it, don't worry about it. And I hate Bobby because, I could send Bobby to the coca-cola site and it would come back say that it was A1 compliant, and you go back and it's all flash. And Bobby didn't see anything so it thought it was OK.

Speaker 4

Acc Verify is a common one.

Jean

The web developers in the CSUs are using the Hi-software which is two packages.

Doug

Cynthia, I guess they call theirs. They do have some very good stuff; they also have some very expensive stuff. One of the problems, like anything, is that if you purchase these high-performance testing tools it takes a while to really learn to understand the results. I like a testing tool for web that says, It looks like there is no alt attribute attached which this specific image, and you hit a button and it brings up that specific page and you say, that's OK, pass it, that's a transparent gif.

Penny

Lift, that was the one that did that.

Doug

Hi-software did that.

Penny

Yeah, write it into an html file that you can actually see the line code.

Doug

There's another package out, SSB out of San Francisco. There have been several and there sort of failing. If you go to www.wai.org, I believe it is, that's the web accessibility initiative, you can get quite a list of tools. Unfortunately, software, and I have tried to promote this, Department of Education said they would fund it if somebody would put in a proposal, I would like to see a comparable tool for going through the code of a software package, like a robot that read the screen and tried the peeves. One company did come up with something, and then they went bankrupt. There is a couple of Microsoft packages that will test for keyboard accessibility.

Jean

Doesn't Firefox have one that will pop up and show you, it shows you everything the screen reader reads? One of their accessibility tests does that so that you can actually visualize what a screen reader is going to read.

Doug

I didn't realize that was in Firefox. There used to be a program out called The Wave. And if you ran The Wave when you were running a webpage, what you would see is what a person would hear using a screen reader. Then some guy said, Well is Wave accessible? It's very complicated...well, since JAWS is, I would get JAWS. I would put some time into learning the basis of narrator and the magnifier. Because, boy they'll tell you right off sometimes especially the magnifier, I can't say anything good about the magnifier for Vista, but on XP, it will tell you immediately, very graphically, that it's not able to track where the cursor is. If you run something like Money, Microsoft Money, and the magnifier will pop up in the corner and you start moving the cursor and the magnification section just sits there, totally ignorant, it doesn't know what's going on, no message coming from the program at all, and you know right there, you've got a program that's not going to work with a screen reader. Have I answered the question, or beat around the bush?

Deborah

No, that's very helpful.

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